I'm at level 3 with Vanquish…. not fully sure how I got there
nor sure how to get to higher levels…
"While equipped, increases Player Attack by 12 and decreases Player Defense by 15."
All thoughts welcome!…. The B
my vanquish is level3 and i used up about 100+ energy just to level her and when i checked back her experience bar didn't even move an inch >_< is this some kind of glitch how come she didn't gain experience has anyone else experience this or is it just me?
Anyways i'll try again tomorrow if her experience won't rise again then it's a glitch :)
Her critical hits is way more than Slayer's ( level 4 ). Slayer does not hit critical as half time as she does.
Why doesn't this general get more respect? I just bought that kaylen general and as far as im concerned she will never even come close to vanquish, even if I had all 60 generals.
Now she has a base of 20 atk plus 20 from her bonus, as kaylen only gets 15% atk for every general owned. so even at 60 that would still be much less. I understand the def thing but that only applies to defending and supposedly lotus (Sylvannas…meh). Why doesn't vanquish get more props when compared to other generals? I understand malekus, lotus and aurora as being awesome, but the other generals have nothing on her really
Its because 70% of your defense is also facotred in when attacking, and she lowers your defense by 25. Take this situation. With 100 player attack and 100 player defense lets compare Vanquish and Nautica, neither of whom require FPs to get.
Vanquish 18/17 +20A/-25D
100 (+20) Player Attack / 100 (-25) 75 Player Defense
120 + .7*75 = 120 + 52.5 = 172.5
Nautica 19/14 +5/-
100 (+5) Player Attack + .7*100 = 105 +70 = 175
175 (Nautica) > 172.5 (Vanquish)
Factor in their General Stats (for dueling purposes) and you get 203.8 (Nautica) > 202.4 (Vanquish)
Include Wrath of Vanquish and she slightly edges Nautica in Duels only.
Kaylen, with 40 Generals, would beat her in all situations.
i've tried to compare her with nautica, slayer, and minerva for battling monster, my result is vanquish gives more damage, although only 500-1000dmg, and her critical change isn't bad if you compare her with slayer, but if for pvp, i prefer to nautica, -25 pDef makes me worry ^_^
It's because her bonus it's a big fat lie, here is the math (just the bonus, ignoring her status):
Attacking: 20 - (25 x 70%)
20 - 17,5
2,5
Defending: -25 + (20 x 70%)
-25 + 14
-11
She is just BAD.
She's good for monster attacking though. It looks like her -25 defense is NOT taken into account when you attack a monster, otherwise I don't know why she's doing more damage than Zarevok.
Oh well, off course she would do more damage than Zarevok, his status suck ass and thought the bonus is great it doesnt save him, again math:
Vanquish:
20 + 20 (bonus) + (17 -25) x 0,7 -——> 0,7 is 70% duh
40 + ( - 5,6)
34,4
Zarevok:
6 + 20 + ( 5 x 0,7)
26 + 3,5
29,5
If her "-25" debuff wasnt counting she would be close to Malekus (51,9 wow), but it does count and she DOES suck.
Huh, my calculations on Vanquish cause i picked her with the set bonus (+2), so her real strenght is actually 32,4, even worse than i thought ugh
You do realize that her bonus applies to Player attack and defense, not her own? Because taking 70% of a negative number actually increases that number. 17-25 = -8. .7X-8 = -5.6. -8>-5.6 Take into account your player stats.
The math with player stats.
100 attack/100 defense
Zarevok +20 attack
120 attack + 70 defense = 190
Vanquish +20 attack/ -25 defense
120 + 52.5 = 172.5
This here says Zarevok should out damage Vanquish on a monster, except that he does not (except against Kiera but that's known why). Throw out defense and Vanquish is back on top, where she should be.
So compared to Skaar, who should actually overpower her, 26/20 +20def.. (no wai not). BUT for me for an unknown reason Skaar -everywhere- does far worse than Vanquish !accept Sylvanas. He badly kicks her ass, and can't figure out the reason of this.
Any idea, anywhere? If you have it test it. I recommend that.
this is because defense doesn't seem to be taken into account when attacking a monster. Throw out defense and redo the calculations and what you get should match the damage done by each general.