Scourge / Discussion

This is the discussion related to the wiki page Scourge.

Abilities

Giovanni (guest) 03 Apr 2010 12:19

Lvl 2: +9 atk, -10 def
Lvl 3: +13 atk, -15 def

more abilities

roner (guest) 04 Apr 2010 18:51

lv 4: +21 atk, -25 def

Re: more abilities

guest (guest) 06 Apr 2010 03:27

Is he better than vanquish as a pure offensive hitter?

Re: more abilities

Ser_Destroyer (guest) 06 Apr 2010 21:50

yup but worse than ophelia

Re: more abilities

Happysmiley (guest) 10 Apr 2010 16:53

Don't forget that the items that gives you bonus stats when he's equipped. With 1% critical, 1 defense and 1 stamina I think that the 4 attack he lacks is more than mitigated.

Agh, not again

Aragorn (guest) 07 Apr 2010 05:53

The new additions are cool. Azriel, Tristram, Azeron, Aurora, they are new stuff. But this?? +Attack, -Defense?? Can't they think of something else? I think I saw that on Ophelia and Vanquish.

Re: Agh, not again

Clint33 07 Apr 2010 06:40

yeah skills of generals get kinda repetitive but the developers know what they're doing, if they just decide on new skills that would ruin the whole balance of the game if they didn't think hard

Info

Heather (guest) 07 Apr 2010 06:06

Level 2:
15(+1) Attack
14(+1) Defense

Special Ability:
While equipped, increases Player Attack by 9 and decreases Player Defense by 10.

Re: Info

Heather (guest) 08 Apr 2010 05:28

Level Three
Scourge has gained a level! Learn More here.
+2 Attack, +2 Defense

Equip Scourge as your main general and receive:
Convert
+13 Player Attack
-15 Player Defense

Re: Info

Heather (guest) 08 Apr 2010 22:46

Level 4
Scourge has gained a level! Learn More here.
+3 Attack, +3 Defense

Equip Scourge as your main general and receive:
Convert
+21 Player Attack
-25 Player Defense

I saved up 80 favor points...

AmishDave (guest) 08 Apr 2010 06:33

And all I got was this shirt…I mean Scourge

What a piece of crap. I can't believe how long it took to get 80 fps. Pretty sure once this arena season is over I'm done with this game.

/end bitter rant

Re: I saved up 80 favor points...

Clint33 08 Apr 2010 06:35

don't give up man this game is still great :D try and try again!

Re: I saved up 80 favor points...

AmishDave (guest) 08 Apr 2010 06:41

I know…it's just frusterating trying to get the fps when you don't have money to throw at it.

Maybe I'll try for the 5k invasions and 5k duels to get back up to 80…but ugh what a grind that'll be.

Re: I saved up 80 favor points...

Wolf That Wins (guest) 08 Apr 2010 18:31

I hear ya. I just spent 55 FPs on an alpha set and got 3 commons, none of them Generals. But oh well, it doesn't change my opinion of the game. You might try raids to get those achievements though instead of the battle page. I found it a bit easier to come by wins there.

Re: I saved up 80 favor points...

Coolhandluke (guest) 26 Jul 2010 02:07

In my own opinion, if you don't have money to blow on this game, and you have saved up enough fps, you should just use the wiki links to buy older Oracle generals. Yes, I have a few epics, because of all the "free" fps I got from offers, but the option to buy older generals wasn't there at the time. You either were able to buy the monthly general, or bust. There's no sense in chancing the chests since half the stat bonuses from generals are useless anyhow. Malekus is cool, the Orc King is cool and I have both. The only other I want is Mephisto. But until I buy up all the older generals, these treasure chests are to risky for me. There are over 10+ generals to be had using the "buy" links. Of course if you only want the epics, you more than likely will need to shell out money or do some offers… or have great luck.

My odds for the chests… better than most. My first free points were lucky on Orc King (over a year ago). Out of 500+ free points, I only got one epic: Malekus… Sure I bought some monthly generals along the way and received a few rare and common generals too. Not too shabby, but I also got plenty of duds too… wolf spirits? Not useless, but are now common drops for serpents and other monsters…

Re: I saved up 80 favor points...

Nils (guest) 14 Apr 2010 13:59

lol, I was on my way to recover Favor.p but i accidently accepted a trade on Onslaught treasure chest xD.. Lost 30fp and recieved Anwar, Lmao. x)

I saved up 80 pts as well...

Ziggmeister (guest) 14 Apr 2010 16:15

got 2 shirts and this sucker..

One thing I don't get.. If you don't have any of his bonuses, viz. nightcraft gear, is he still better than vanquish? cuz i have wrath of vanquish.

So it totals like this:

Vanquish: +20 attack/-25 defense and 18+2/17+0

Scourge: +21 attack/-25 defense and 18+0/17+0

is he still better using those stats or no?

Re: I saved up 80 pts as well...

Clint33 15 Apr 2010 01:06

Ophelia both beats them but if you ask me even with all the gear vanquish still rules, scourge is a really bad hero even with 1%crit you're better off with slayer to do the monster hunting part. I suggest you buy fenris because he's better than them, with all the defense minus you're really not adding much to your stats at all. Try lyra she's slightly stronger than fenris but you have to buy all her gear to be effective that goes for fenris as well. :)

Re: I saved up 80 pts as well...

Wolf That Wins (guest) 15 Apr 2010 02:22

Good rules of thumbs

Invasions: Whoever has the highest -overall- Player attack bonus is best. Disregard general stats as unimportant.

Duels: You have to add it up, but Player stats and general stats matter equally. So general attack + player attack + .7(general defense + player defense).

FP equipment: I know alot seem to like buying this stuff but I and many others see it as a total waste.

Re: I saved up 80 pts as well...

Clint33 15 Apr 2010 02:33

nice comment wolf same here i just buy generals but i don't bother buying their equips i use slayer but without equips, the important thing to note is that player stats matter the most and generals only apply to duels, while in invasions players stats again play a major role in calculating your chances of winning ^^

Re: I saved up 80 pts as well...

Wolf That Wins (guest) 15 Apr 2010 03:21

Close. In a duel 1 point of player attack = 1 point of general attack (likewise for defense). They're both simply added in along with your best of stuff. In an invasion your player stats (both attack and defense) get multiplied by the number of people in your army. Everything else just gets added in. So with an army of 501 1 point of player attack = 501 into the calculation, while 1 point of general attack (or item attack, or unit attack) = 1 into the calculation.

Re: I saved up 80 pts as well...

Clint33 15 Apr 2010 03:32

thank you for the info ^^

Re: I saved up 80 pts as well...

Ziggmeister (guest) 27 Apr 2010 00:17

I have been doing some experimentation here and there and here are my results:

I don't know much about PvP as I am still working my way up the ladder (my BSI is quite low, just over 3.33), but I am only level 132, so I have time to gather loot and level up, etc.

However, when it comes to monsters, here is what I've discovered. I've tried using Vanquish, Fenris and Scourge to see who does better dmg STRICTLY against MONSTERS. I know the typical formula is Atk + Def*7 and if the hero has +Atk and -Def (like scourge and vanquish) it all goes into the calculation. right? well, I think wrong.

After many a battle at various party health and various attacks I have found out that Scourge does the HIGHEST average damage on monsters.

Doesn't make sense, right? It didn't make sense to me either until today.

Traditionally here is what the calculations entail (Using my current atk/def stats):

1) Fenris (340+8) + (.7 * 100) = 418

2) Scourge (340+21) + (.7 * (100-25)) = 413.5

3) Vanquish (340+20) + (.7 *(100-25)) = 412.5

So, theoretically, Fenris should yield the highest amount of demage, right? wrong again.

MONSTER battles seem to ONLY calculate your ATTACK, DISREGARDING your defense.

Let's try that:

1) Scourge (340+21) = 361

2) Vanquish (340+20) = 360

3) Fenris (340+8) = 348

Perhaps PvP is different, and i'm nearly positive it is. But the devs may have changed the formulas, or perhaps something else. Regardless, Ophelia would now prove to be the BEST monster hunting monster at +25 Attack, although I do not have her, i used the above 3 generals cuz i DO have them (That is unless you have 56 Generals and Malekus for a total of +25.2 Attack).

What adds more to my theory is that when you battle most monsters (with the exception of Keira the monster), and it tells you the damage you're doing it only says: "ITEM: [+X Damage]" never mentioning defense. But I had to check for myself, it may just be hidden from view, but included in the calculation, i don't know.

I don't know if I'm unto something here, or I made a mistake, but I have been studying my dmg for a WEEK across monsters such as Bahamus, Genesis, Hydra, Ragnarok, Lotus, Various Dragons, Skaar, and even Sylvanas and consistently, Scourge is doing better damage. So don't take my word for it, try it for yourself!

P.S. Some may claim that Lotus is better, and i don't disagree - since Lotus adds to your crit dmg, and that tops +1-3k dmg any day, but if you don't have Lotus and only purchasable monsters, Vanquish is best.

Thank you for reading.

Z

Re: I saved up 80 pts as well...

Clint33 27 Apr 2010 00:44

you said vanquish is better? i thought we were talking about scourge anyways if you want a monster hunter go for slayer why would you want fenris or vanquish? There has already been many posts regarding zarevok vs vanquish vs slayer. Slayer owns them both sure they have like 1k more dmg then slayer but when you get that critical he'll beat them in the end more then 1k depends on how many crits you get :p

Re: I saved up 80 pts as well...

Ziggmeister (guest) 27 Apr 2010 11:18

I was talking about Scourge as best, but in the P.S. i said "but if you don't have Lotus and only purchasable monsters" - should have made that sentence clearer. What it should have said is: "but if you don't have Lotus and -don't purchase monsters".. hope this helps.

yea, i just purchased slayer, and got lucky today got Skaar and Helena from Vanguard chest :D (was shooting for Malekus/Lotus, but I am satisfied).

thanks for the feedback.

Darkseid (guest) 27 Apr 2010 01:03

This guys which trade one thing for another r all crap, do the math:
u get +20 ATK and lose 25 DEF, so is:
20 - 25 x 0,7
20 -17,5
2,5

That's the bonus u get when u use Vanquish 2,5 ATK, lame? oh yeah
Scourge is just slithly better with an incredible 3,5 ATK pretty impressive huh?
… off course i am being sarcastic…
and when defending they do some much worse…

Clint33 27 Apr 2010 01:10

i agree all generals with a decreasing status is bad except memnon, skaar, and helena they trade off energy and stamina for power which you can just switch during battle for high attack power without decrease and defense for skaar when fortifying also skaar rules at being a defensive general second to draconius :p

Wolf That Wins (guest) 27 Apr 2010 03:22

I dunno… I'm starting to believe him. Or rather I've found at least one situation that bears out what Zigg is saying. I found Dante fortifying for about 500 more damage than Celesta in a Bahamut battle, which is not what you'd expect using the ole 70% attack is counted thing we all know and love so much. I'll be testing this further with attacks since those 2 are the only 2 decent defenders I have, and I already know Celesta outperforms Dexter. Could be I just missed it cause I was very lucky and got Malekus early and use him unless I'm leveling a general for some reason.

Ziggmeister (guest) 27 Apr 2010 11:20

makes me happy that i just got skaar and helena from chest a few minutes ago ^_^

I BELIEVE!!!

Clint33 28 Apr 2010 00:50

i think i beleive this guy as well so as wolf :) i use celesta lvl4 for healing and i get like 15k heal as a cleric, then i used sierra silverlight level2 with +10defense
-10attack and her heal was about 16k+ i'll have to max her to see more difference i guess the rule might only apply to battle not monsters…

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